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		<title>By: Neal Locke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neal Locke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 04:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Margaret -- You&#039;re absolutely right that Jesus didn&#039;t call down fire on Samaritans.  But I don&#039;t think the entity in question here is playing the part of the Samaritan.  Instead they remind me of the overly legalistic pharisees that Jesus actually did expend some pretty choice words to. 

Copyright and trademark abuse is no &quot;petty&quot; matter, especially for the church.  In my personal experience, it often cuts to the heart of ministry, and that&#039;s why I take it so personally.  Let me give you some examples:

1. The coffee shop where some talented kids from my youth group used to play music was shut down because of copyright trolling.

2.  The girl scouts of America were sued by ASCAP for merely singing copyrighted songs around campfires at their meetings.

3.  Several churches across the nation were forced by legal threats from the NFL to shut down super-bowl parties, many of which were organized as fundraisers for local soup kitchens.

4.  A musician friend of mine was sent threatening legal notices from a major CHRISTIAN publishing company because she recorded the public domain song &quot;Amazing Grace&quot; -- the company said the legal burden of proof rested with her to *prove* that her version wasn&#039;t the same as one from one of their artists.  She couldn&#039;t afford the legal fees, so she simply yanked her recording off the internet.

Margaret, things like this are absolutely INSANE, and standing up for a more just and equitable copyright/trademark/patent system in our country certainly isn&#039;t petty.  To me it&#039;s a matter of social justice, and freedom to pursue ministry.  

Let me ask you this: by using the phrase Theology on Tap, is Adam (or any number of churches who use it) in some way causing detriment or harm to the ministry of the group that owns the trademark?  It isn&#039;t likely.

In most cases like this, the ones who hold the trademark or copyright represent the legal &quot;power&quot; and those who are threatened with legal action are the marginalized, powerless, and victims of the situation. Sure, it may not quite rise to the level of AIDS or global hunger, but I suspect I know who Jesus would side with in cases like this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Margaret &#8212; You&#8217;re absolutely right that Jesus didn&#8217;t call down fire on Samaritans.  But I don&#8217;t think the entity in question here is playing the part of the Samaritan.  Instead they remind me of the overly legalistic pharisees that Jesus actually did expend some pretty choice words to. </p>
<p>Copyright and trademark abuse is no &#8220;petty&#8221; matter, especially for the church.  In my personal experience, it often cuts to the heart of ministry, and that&#8217;s why I take it so personally.  Let me give you some examples:</p>
<p>1. The coffee shop where some talented kids from my youth group used to play music was shut down because of copyright trolling.</p>
<p>2.  The girl scouts of America were sued by ASCAP for merely singing copyrighted songs around campfires at their meetings.</p>
<p>3.  Several churches across the nation were forced by legal threats from the NFL to shut down super-bowl parties, many of which were organized as fundraisers for local soup kitchens.</p>
<p>4.  A musician friend of mine was sent threatening legal notices from a major CHRISTIAN publishing company because she recorded the public domain song &#8220;Amazing Grace&#8221; &#8212; the company said the legal burden of proof rested with her to *prove* that her version wasn&#8217;t the same as one from one of their artists.  She couldn&#8217;t afford the legal fees, so she simply yanked her recording off the internet.</p>
<p>Margaret, things like this are absolutely INSANE, and standing up for a more just and equitable copyright/trademark/patent system in our country certainly isn&#8217;t petty.  To me it&#8217;s a matter of social justice, and freedom to pursue ministry.  </p>
<p>Let me ask you this: by using the phrase Theology on Tap, is Adam (or any number of churches who use it) in some way causing detriment or harm to the ministry of the group that owns the trademark?  It isn&#8217;t likely.</p>
<p>In most cases like this, the ones who hold the trademark or copyright represent the legal &#8220;power&#8221; and those who are threatened with legal action are the marginalized, powerless, and victims of the situation. Sure, it may not quite rise to the level of AIDS or global hunger, but I suspect I know who Jesus would side with in cases like this one.</p>
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		<title>By: Margaret Aymer Oget</title>
		<link>http://www.mrlocke.net/now-starting-theology-on-tap/comment-page-1#comment-2313</link>
		<dc:creator>Margaret Aymer Oget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 01:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I noted on Adam&#039;s blog, um...calling down fire because a bunch of Samaritans don&#039;t let you go through their village--not WJWD (Luke 9:52-56).

It seems petty to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I noted on Adam&#8217;s blog, um&#8230;calling down fire because a bunch of Samaritans don&#8217;t let you go through their village&#8211;not WJWD (Luke 9:52-56).</p>
<p>It seems petty to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Ambrose Little, O.P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Ambrose Little, O.P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 14:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@fg, I would be reluctant to say &quot;the Church&quot; owns it.  It appears to be an independent group affiliated with a diocese.  

Just reading their about page, I get annoyed with seeing RENEW every third word..  Reminds me of when I wanted a particular domain name.  Turns out a Catholic had bought it and was squatting on it.  I wanted it for non-profit, religious apostolate reasons, but he was asking for $$$.  Give me a break!  Some people..

Also, note it&#039;s not hard to TM things, or at least try to.  You just try to be the first to claim the TM and list it in your publications as such.  It&#039;s not even about being the first to use it.. just the first to TM (as I understand it).

Anyhoo, I salute you, Neal, for doing this, whatever it&#039;s called.  Maybe I can come a few times. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@fg, I would be reluctant to say &#8220;the Church&#8221; owns it.  It appears to be an independent group affiliated with a diocese.  </p>
<p>Just reading their about page, I get annoyed with seeing RENEW every third word..  Reminds me of when I wanted a particular domain name.  Turns out a Catholic had bought it and was squatting on it.  I wanted it for non-profit, religious apostolate reasons, but he was asking for $$$.  Give me a break!  Some people..</p>
<p>Also, note it&#8217;s not hard to TM things, or at least try to.  You just try to be the first to claim the TM and list it in your publications as such.  It&#8217;s not even about being the first to use it.. just the first to TM (as I understand it).</p>
<p>Anyhoo, I salute you, Neal, for doing this, whatever it&#8217;s called.  Maybe I can come a few times. <img src='http://www.mrlocke.net/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Locke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Locke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 11:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn impaired working memory. Sorry FG.</description>
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		<title>By: Christopher Hooker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Hooker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 02:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool.  I&#039;ll bring the PBR.  I know how much you love it.  Nothing says &lt;b&gt;Theology on Tap&lt;/b&gt; like award winning beer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool.  I&#8217;ll bring the PBR.  I know how much you love it.  Nothing says <b>Theology on Tap</b> like award winning beer.</p>
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		<title>By: Neal Locke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neal Locke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 22:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jeff -- my last comment rant wasn&#039;t directed at fg (that&#039;s Fritz Gutwein) because his comment wasn&#039;t anonymous.  And he was actually being pretty nice (I was the one kind of being a jerk in that conversation).  The comment you&#039;re referring to was directed at &quot;BWAHAHAHA&quot; -- whomever that is.  And yes, I accept your clarification that the statement &quot;but not yours&quot; only applies if my assumption is correct that he or she doesn&#039;t want to try to build a relationship, just to make mocking comments hidden behind the cloak of anonymity. (FWIW I have no problem with mocking comments exchanged publicly among friends or colleagues--it&#039;s the anonymity that bothers me).

@IntrovertedOne -- thanks for the comment.  Unfortunately in this case, it&#039;s not at all about the name, clever or not.  It&#039;s about trying to use a little bit of civil disobedience to break down a corrupt copyright system.  That&#039;s not entirely the fault of the organization who trademarked &quot;Theology on Tap&quot; but they certainly did take advantage of the system.  BTW, I have confirmed (via a link someone posted on Adam&#039;s site) that the term &quot;Theology on Tap&quot; dates at least back to the early 1900&#039;s and it&#039;s original use was not from a Catholic organization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jeff &#8212; my last comment rant wasn&#8217;t directed at fg (that&#8217;s Fritz Gutwein) because his comment wasn&#8217;t anonymous.  And he was actually being pretty nice (I was the one kind of being a jerk in that conversation).  The comment you&#8217;re referring to was directed at &#8220;BWAHAHAHA&#8221; &#8212; whomever that is.  And yes, I accept your clarification that the statement &#8220;but not yours&#8221; only applies if my assumption is correct that he or she doesn&#8217;t want to try to build a relationship, just to make mocking comments hidden behind the cloak of anonymity. (FWIW I have no problem with mocking comments exchanged publicly among friends or colleagues&#8211;it&#8217;s the anonymity that bothers me).</p>
<p>@IntrovertedOne &#8212; thanks for the comment.  Unfortunately in this case, it&#8217;s not at all about the name, clever or not.  It&#8217;s about trying to use a little bit of civil disobedience to break down a corrupt copyright system.  That&#8217;s not entirely the fault of the organization who trademarked &#8220;Theology on Tap&#8221; but they certainly did take advantage of the system.  BTW, I have confirmed (via a link someone posted on Adam&#8217;s site) that the term &#8220;Theology on Tap&#8221; dates at least back to the early 1900&#8242;s and it&#8217;s original use was not from a Catholic organization.</p>
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		<title>By: Introverted One</title>
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		<dc:creator>Introverted One</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 21:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just consider this an opportunity to come up with an equally clever name. No reason to get your stole in a bunch because of copywrite laws.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just consider this an opportunity to come up with an equally clever name. No reason to get your stole in a bunch because of copywrite laws.</p>
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