PhD Students at Princeton Theological Seminary

This has all the makings of one of those posts that I’ll regret later on, but nevertheless…

I’ve been an M.Div student at Princeton Seminary for five months now, and while that’s hardly enough time to make a definitive study of the people and culture here, some impressions are certainly forming in my mind.  First among them is a rather stark, mostly unspoken, dichotomy between master’s level students and PhD students.  I’ll make the early disclaimer that by no means have I met all the PhD students at the seminary.  But I think by now I’ve met enough of them to see a pattern: They all seem to fall into one of three broad categories:

  1. Assholes – You don’t even have to ask them if they’re PhD students.  You know.  And even if you did ask, it’s doubtful they would deign to respond.  When they do speak to you, it’s either because they are correcting you, or because they’re being paid to speak to you as Preceptors (Teaching Assistants).  They know just about everything there is to know, unless in the presence of an actual professor, in which case they suddenly become the most delightful, congenial people in the room.  The idea that an MDiv student might know anything worthwhile is preposterous — nevermind that as a “second career” student, I’m actually older than many of them, and have often had several more years of experience in both church and academic settings.  They are condescending both in and out of class. Fortunately, the genuine assholes are not nearly as numerous as the next category…
  2. Wannabe Assholes – These are PhD students who, perhaps through insecurity, indecision, or apathy (I’m not sure which, possibly all of the above) don’t fit into categories 1 or 3.  Maybe they’re trying to be more humane assholes. They are the ones who will strike up a friendly conversation with you as long as no one else is around, but then ignore you when in the presence of others. They may not correct you in person, but from a distance, you can overhear their opinions of MDiv students easily enough. They don’t *tell* you that your opinion/knowledge/experience is insignificant, but they still think it (and usually do a poor job of disguising their thoughts).  In my limited experience, this is the largest category of PhD students at Princeton Seminary.
  3. Human Beings – Although I can count this variety on the fingers both of my hands, they are the few PhD students who make my experience here interesting and worthwhile.  They treat other students as peers, genuinely listen to and consider their thoughts, and go out of their way to make new MDiv students feel welcome and part of community life.  One in particular actually reached out to me and my family several months before we arrived on campus, and has continued to offer thoughtful and kind guidance in both academic and community matters.  They do not flaunt their intelligence at the expense of others, and are just as accessible in and out of the classroom.  They are a credit to their institution, and I only wish they were the rule, not the exception.

I have had all of the above as both acquaintances and Preceptors.  If you’re reading this as a PhD student at Princeton Seminary, and you happen to ask me which category you fall in, I’ll probably tell you “category 3.”  But there’s a 33% chance I’m lying to save face for both of us.  Actually, if you bother to ask me at all, you couldn’t really be in category 1, because you wouldn’t waste time reading the blog of a mere MDiv student (unless for the purpose of admonishing me about this blog post, or correcting my flawed and ingorant perspective). Instead of asking me, I’d suggest asking yourself how you *really* percieve the students you teach and interact with in community, and if your actions reflect your perceptions.

I’m resisting the temptation to draw conclusions about Doctoral work as a whole, but it does seem to me that perhaps the “PhD” as the pinnacle of academic achievement in our culture is likely to reflect its shortcomings — the cutthroat competition, the jockeying for position and influence, the arrogance (I know a few things about arrogance) and narrow-minded suspicion required to stake out a small patch of intellectual territory and rabidly defend it against all intruders (read “my precioussss…”) — these are all characteristics conducive to climbing the ivory tower, but they are not conducive to genuine education, learning, or sharing of knowledge for the benefit of others.  Even more so at a seminary.

Anyhow, I’ve got three years to change my mind on all of this, and I suspect that the PhD students in closest proximity will be the most influential in whatever final conclusions I come to.  Prove me wrong, Princeton.  Prove me wrong.


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PhD Students at Princeton Theological Seminary — 25 Comments

  1. That’s a funny post. Brings back memories. Lots of assholes at Princeton, that is for sure. But there are cool people there. You’ll find them. I dealt with it by keeping the bar low and expecting Phds and mdivs who wanna be phds to be assholes until they proved otherwise. It worked.

  2. Same experience as you here folks! Sadly. Here’s a good example. I was at the Hair Cuttery with the wife off of Emmons (I miss the walks to get dunkin’ donuts..mmm)…

    Anyway, I was reading the paper – some article about religion – and said, to my wife sitting next to me mind you, that it was totally slanted. A Phd student who was sitting next to me began to question how it was that I thought it was slanted and that HE thought it was pretty balanced! Why should I care what this person with very low social skills thinks about what I think about how an article was written? He was uninvited to the conversation, but felt obligated by his imagined stature to intervene.

    Another one. Diogenes Allen in one of the best classes ever (The Theology of Simone Weil) said one day, “The PhD. student here are the most miserable lot of people I meet with!” And said so with glee. Now there have been some great ones I have met. But I agree, that these are outliers to the curve. And that is ass.

  3. One of my PhD acquaintances who falls squarely in the “human being” category reminded me that if I want to speak with integrity, I have to apply the same filter to MDiv students as well, and I can certainly agree — I’ve met some assholes among my MDiv peers as well (and who knows, perhaps I’ve been one, too). But the thrust of the post was more towards my perception that so far at least, “assholes” (or wannabe assholes) seem to be more prevalent at the PhD level.

    Also, that the behavior in question catches my attention when it’s “directed” at MDiv students. I’m sure that PhD students are less likely to be perceived by their peers as Assholes. So, I guess to be fair, I’d have to be in a community that spanned undergraduate through PhD students, and ask if Master’s level students in general were assholes to undergraduates. Unfortunately there’s no real way to tell that here…

    I’ve gotten plenty of “private” email on this post already, some of it thoughtful and balanced, and some of it just plain spiteful. (I was wrong: apparently PhD students *do* read blog posts from MDiv students, when they are featured prominently)

    I’d like to once again remind my readers that this is in no way a broad, empirical study of PhD students at Princeton Theological Seminary. It’s entirely possible that I’ve just happened to run across all the wrong sorts of people. But I said that in the post. I hope I’m wrong. If so, I hope I’ll have a chance to blog about that in the future, too.

  4. Yes, the PhD students are a horrible lot. But the main issue I have with them is the lack of social skills. Being a PhD student does not give you any right to be an asshole. And yet, somehow, they believe that.

    But it’s the hardcore M.Div. students and their submissive wives that can get to you too. “You won’t make a good pastor’s wife because you don’t sew your own clothes.”

    So sad that after four years there (an M.Div. and a Th.M. for hubby), we chose to not go to church the next 5 years.

    Oh… and you want to experience some really poor social skills, walk down to WCC.

  5. I read your post and laughed out loud. I hope you don’t plan on applying to be Princeton PHD candidate anytime soon. I’m fascinated by the theological academic world. I’ve found that many PHD student teachers and even professors have never spent more than a year or two in actual full-time ministry settings. How are these the most qualified folks to teach? I would think our theological students should be taught by folks with more then book smarts. Dubuque is the only seminary I’ve ever seen promote the fact that most of their faculty has YEARS of experience serving in local congregations.

  6. I have to tell this story. The summer after my first year, I spent at my parents’ farm in Montana. This guy calls from Princeton about something. My dad answers the phone. The guy introduces himself as “___________ PhD.” My father noticed how weird this and said he wanted to respond, “Yeah will I’m Gordon and I’m a PhD too.”

  7. Interesting that you came to seminary to “learn” then seem to struggle when someone you perceive to be “younger” or “less experienced” than you tries to teach you. Perhaps the problem is you as much as them. Certainly there is truth buried in your post. The anger though is troubling. The emotionally loaded and crass language is abusive. Yes, I have been a pastor for years as you say. Youth pastor, Young adult pastor, Solo Pastor, and pastor of a large staff church. And yes I appear to be a good bit older than you. For your own future’s sake, for God’s sake, stop posting acidic blogs. They only eat into your ministry future. I considered not posting at all, and then thought someone needs to tell you that you are stabbing yourself in the back.

  8. Dear Student4God,

    First of all, thank you for taking the time to comment. So far, all the critical comments I’ve received have been in private via email, and I much prefer conversation about my blog posts to take place in the medium for which they were intended.

    That said, since I stand by my words with my name publicly attached to them, I ask my commenters to do the same. You can read more in my Commenting Policy but the gist of it is that if you’d like to continue the conversation (and I hope you do) I ask you to please use your real name when commenting.

    Now, on to your comments. I’ll return the favor and note that there is much truth to your critique of my post as well. This was indeed a post written in anger and frustration. Do you think that all anger is out of place and unjustified in public forums? Or just in this particular instance?

    You note that I came to seminary to “learn” or be “taught.” I never said that. Actually, I came to seminary to “study” and there’s a subtle distinction that’s worth noting in that: One implies an externally imposed hierarchy, and the other a self-driven pursuit of individually selected, relevant knowledge. But you may have a point about my struggle with being “taught.” I’ve struggled with that ever since elementary school. Be careful not to misunderstand the tagline of my blog: “I will always be a teacher. I will always be a student.” It may not mean what you think it does.

    You refer to my crass language and acidic blog posts. Do you believe that there is no place for acidic words in speaking to a church community? Are there no revered figures in our ecclesiastical history who spent their careers acidicly condemning behavior they believed to be wrong? I believe that “crass” (like most other artificial categories of language) is in the eye of the beholder. I am sorry my choice of words offended you, but I do not regret the choice, and I hardly consider my words abusive. Now the actions that prompted the word choice, on the other hand…

    Finally, you seem overly concerned with my future. I think you make some assumptions about my future plans because I’m a seminary student. Be careful here, too. I believe that to remain silent would also eat into my ministry future…or possibly the future of ministry.

    I’m exaggerating that last point, to be sure. I’m hardly that important to the future of the church, nor is Princeton Theological Seminary.

    But thank you for alerting me to the fact that I’m stabbing myself in the back, and thank you for taking the time to correct a fellow student. I will continue to reflect on your words, and as I’ve said all along, hope that time and positive encounters like this one eventually prove me wrong.

  9. This post makes me laugh a lot because I’m pretty sure these categories apply to my grad program as well. Plus, I’m glad that I’m not the only one who notices these things. I think one of these days I’ll make a post similar to this. After I finish this horrific paper on crime theories.

  10. Hooray for Free Speech! Many at the Seminary will take grave offense at this post and it will likely sought to be censored “for the sake of the community” (indeed this is how I found out about it in the first place.) But we ought not censor the thoughts and writings of our members. Moreover if this post is true, then the community ought to know about it. And if this post is not true, then the community will have to bear (and seek to correct) yet another falsehood with patience and grace.

  11. Yarrrrr,this here slanderous libel be fit for the next issue of The Foreskin. Congratulations be in order to ye for raising the level of parlance on the grounds of ye olde PTS.

  12. @Anjelica – Yeah, that’s part of where I started to go toward the end of the post. So when and if you move on to the next level of your education, promise me you’ll be nice to the Master’s students, Ok? (You don’t even have to promise. I know you would be).

    @A PhD Student at PTS – thanks for the comment, but I’m afraid I’ll still have to refer you to my comment policy. Although I can certainly understand if you posted anonymously out of fear of reprisal at the seminary — if that’s the case, just send me an email: neal at mrlocke dot net — so I can know who to thank in person for the much needed words of encouragement.

    @Mr. Sir — you are priceless! (And I mean that in a good way). Thanks for saving me the trouble with the Pirate Speak generator, and I’m starting to actually wish I *did* know you in person, although I understand if you don’t exactly return the sentiment ;-)

    @Timscott – thanks. I don’t exactly think what I’ve said here is “heroic” but for better or worse, I do stand behind it. Still.

  13. Neal –

    I’ve held off on adding my $.02 here simply because I’m not a “M.Div. student” and not at your school. Yet, I feel compelled to chime in with my words of encouragement and general thoughts on the matter.

    I remember times in our mutual past where “controversy” seemed to be the modus operandi. Not that you (nor I) were out to cause controversy just that our opinions and inability/unwillingness to keep our mouths shut seemed to cause controversy to follow us. I applaud that you have remained the Neal that I knew and respected back in the “old days”. The Neal that was unafraid to speak up when speaking up was believed to be the right thing to do whether popular or not.

    The controversy surrounding this blog seems to be both funny and unnerving. The truth be told (and another commenter alluded to this) you could have said “I’ve been a M.___ student at _________for five months now…” and allowed us to fill in the blanks with our own experiences. I have come to learn over the last few years that the observations you posted are not specific to Princeton.

    It seems to me that there is a fundamental “better-than-thou” mentality that seems to pervade higher-education. There is almost a sense that as one moves up the “educational food chain” that one must become more “exclusive” in their associations. It is almost as if there is a feeling of “I’ve been required to read more books and write a longer paper, so I must somehow be better or smarter than you.”

    In my specific case, I see this in interactions from Business PhDs and even MBAs to anyone else studying business related topics. I recently had a discussion with someone who thought I was somehow sub-par because I choose to go with a Masters in Project Management instead of an MBA. My reasoning being that MBA’s learn a hell of a lot of theory, but seem to not be very good at applying it while an MPM is out there doing it.

    The other scenario is the consultants that recently visited with us. A group of four fresh (one of them within 2 months) out of MBA school who had never worked in a call center, trying to tell us how to better manage our call centers. The frightening part is that between the four of us in the room from our side, we had over 50 years of combined call center experience. Yet, they were adamant that their education (granted it was from high-power MBA schools) was better than our uneducated experience.

    All that to say this, M.Div/MBA/MPM/PhD/ETC is initials. The designation is not a representation of how “smart” one is, but rather an indication of how “educated” one is. There’s a big difference (although a fine line) between “smart” and “educated”. Yet, unfortunately, there are those people who think the two are the same thing.

    Yet in the end, it simply comes back to the treatment of fellow mankind. PhDs once sat where you sit. They once experienced the same experiences. Those experiences (like our experiences) shaped them into who they are today. For some they allowed the shape to be “asshole” and for others that shape was “human beings”.

    So, hang in there. Keep being you. Know that there are a whole lot of people out there that may not speak up, yet “have your back.”

  14. Sounds like you are at one of those institutions that buys into the “banking” method of education. We have some professors of that persuasion here at IU School of Social Work as well. Some are adjuncts that just need a little more time teaching, in the end they usually end up being some of the best profs because they are still practicing in the field and don’t have a PhD to give them a big head. Other profs that buy into this method are tenured or working towards tenure and are too busy with research, publication and the many other requirements placed on them. They developed a curriculum before they became too busy and just go through the motions in class. Some think that their curriculum is really something and refuse to change it, no matter how out-dated it is. They truly buy into the “banking” method of teaching. They might as well tape themselves and play the tape for class because their really is no interaction with the student.

    The controversy about speaking your mind, that would not be found here. I think that may be more common in closed christian communities. Students can say what they want and there is little anyone could do about it. Actually, feedback and discussion is sought. The faculty and administrators want to know what students think and to improve the school. A few weeks ago we had lunch with the dean and program director. We give written feedback at the end of each class. Professors encourage it and will sometimes take a class in the middle of the semester for feedback. There isn’t a problem with PhD students either, but that might be because we are all social workers: sensitivity, empathy and advocating for the vulnerable are whats lauded. The faculty and fellows at the School of Medicine, where I am a research assistant are another story. They are in their ivory towers and wander why the community is resistant to being “studied” by them.

  15. It’s taken me a while to talk and think through what’s going on in my head. I was quite sure I felt something about the whole post, and still am. What exactly I feel, I’m less sure. But a few thoughts.

    I would like to first register my agreement with the commentator above. One of my major concerns about Princeton, from my relatively short experience, is that some discussions are stifled before they are born, because they could be offensive. This showed up especially with the Foreskins debacle. My major problem was (and is), that I can’t get anyone to tell me why they were offended. Seems like a relatively simple question. And I’ve gotten some answers. But I still want to hear more, and there doesn’t seem to be a venue to do so.

    The connection may seem tenuous, but this post touches on it for me. My question here is: why are so many PhD students this way? (I will admit, I know far fewer PhD students than you seem to. The two with whom I’ve worked closely have been interested in our thoughts and opinions, and genuinely engaged with me, and they’re my whole sample). But for all that, you seem to have had these negative experiences, and I’d like to know what it is about Princeton or the PhD mechanism that makes this true, if true it be.

    At the same time, I’m trying to figure out what it means to live in “intentional Christian community.” I don’t think it means we should place ourselves above criticism – one of my best moments here was when I was being an idiot, and a friend (lovingly) corrected me. It felt amazing to know that she cared so much about me, and felt comfortable enough with me, that she could call me on the carpet.

    That said, I should have hesitated to call any class of people assholes. I respect the frustration and the emotion – I just wonder if there was a way to phrase it that still communicated your feelings without coming across as (a little bit of) a jerk yourself. I was considering citing Jesus for this, but then I recalled that whole “brood of vipers” speech…Jesus was certainly unafraid of saying when people were doing it wrong.

    So. I do really, genuinely appreciate the post. I appreciate how it’s made me think, and how, I would hope, it will make some others think as well. I hope it doesn’t land you in water of too excessive a temperature, and that your finals come off well.

    Peace be wi’ ye.

  16. Neal, if you feel the way that you do, then you have every right to say so. No one has the right to tell you otherwise. It wouldn’t be right to take your feelings out on others, but I think you tempered your words and made it clear that you were expressing the way you feel. It appears that many others feel the same way and it is important that you are heard. How can you argue with the way someone feels? Their are no right or wrong feelings. This is your blog. Your place to express yourself.

    It is important for people to know how they come off as well. I would hope they would look past their embarrassment. I am surprised by the level of defensiveness. I would have just assumed you were talking about the other assholes, not me. However, if I assumed that you were talking about me, maybe it is because I know that I can be that way sometimes. Hey, we all can be assholes at times. When its an on-going problem, then to not address it would be sanctioning it. We all have the responsibility to ensure that others are being treated fairly.

    If you are offended by this post, take some time to let it sink in. Don’t be bitter. Ask yourself if you need to treat you brothers and sisters better. We can all do that. Did you mean to make them feel this way? I doubt it. I am sure your apology or change of behavior would be kindly accepted. If you haven’t been an asshole, no worries. If you don’t like others being called out, think of those being snubbed.

    Neal, thank you for sticking up for the all the people that have been treated poorly. Its time that their feelings be considered. To treat someone poorly and then tell them they cannot speak about it is one of the worst types of cruelties.

  17. Neal,

    We’ve never met but I am a PhD student at Princeton Theological Seminary. I read your blog last night just after reading my 9 year old son’s report on Killer Whales. (Did you know every Killer Whale has a blowhole? Who woulda thunk it?)

    Well, as they say, confession is good for the soul, and unfortunately I see myself described in quite a few of your depictions – so I suspect in so far as I know my own heart, I probably fall into the first category of your typology. About the only comfort I have whenever I engage in self-reflection is something akin to how Lincoln Park put it – “What I’ve done, I’ll face myself to cross out what I’ve become” – or as the writer of Lamentations put it, “because of the Lord’s lovingkindness, the mercies of God are new every morning.”

    But trust me on this, Neal, if I currently lived in Princeton (I don’t – we moved away this past summer to accept a call to a pastorate), your blog would have surely motivated me to take the initiatve with you to grab lunch together and convince you that I’m really in the third category. We all have a way of wearing the mask, don’t we?

    I don’t know what kind of personal response you’ve gotten from your blog, but just as one thought for you, anytime a person uses pejorative labels to refer to others, unfortunately those so referenced will most likely be offended. Whether or not there is any relative correspondence in reality to your typology is quite beside the point. If you would have chosen some other way to characterize those of us who fall into either of the first two categories, it surely would have helped us to get a little bit more out of your post. (I am giving you the benefit of the doubt that you used such a provocative typology not for the sake of illustrating one of the categories but for the sake of raising our self-awareness and furthering the cultivation of virtue in those of us so maligned with such dreadful insecurities and proclivities).

    Of course there are theologians and public intellectuals who use intentionally provocative language in beautiful ways – Hauerwas would not be Hauerwas without his memorable way with words. And perhaps you will one day display that same extraordinary skill. But I don’t think you’ve mastered it just yet.

    Your hope alone, just like mine and all of us first category folks, is…well, how did Lincoln Park put it, “let mercy come and wash away.”

    Hope to catch you on the down low next time I’m in Princeton. I’m off to do something really important with my time – coaching my son’s 9 year old football team for their last and final game of the year.

    John Hardie

    P.S. BTW, I’ve studied at five different theological institutions (which in and of itself must count as proof positive of my first category status), and while I will concede that such theological communities often suffer from the same blight of broken humanity as infects other organizations and institutions, Princeton Theological Seminary is a remarkable treasure with equally amazing people. I hope your experience there will be as rich and shape you as profoundly as my experience did.

  18. Neal,
    I love this post! I love the asshole. Everyone has one. What is the big deal? What about “Ass Clown”, it is my choice over asshole. You have ass and clown. Everyone loves clowns. Maybe folks would not get so mad if you called them ass clowns. Clowns are neat! I wish I could attend PTS with you. I did not attend PTS on the advice of a few alumni. I was told that I should not go to PTS because it would ruin me. I pray my friend that you are not ruined. I wonder if Jesus gives a shite about degrees and/or rankings. I remember reading something about there is no something or something in seminary. Why do we pursue labels and accolades? Does any degree make you better than an other. I have no idea what the Kin-dom of God looks like. I bet no one gets to carry their degree through the pearly gates. It takes me to that scene from “Good Will Hunting” in the bar. I am no expert on the subject of the Bible but I do know assholes. Is it not what goes in but what comes out that f’ks it all up. That is an issue we are all guilty of.
    Blessings, Ryan

  19. I can give you a million reasons as to why Foreskin was offensive. 1-How about the fact that folks should expect NOT to have their characters defamed; especially at a theological institution whose chief goal is to train ministers of the Gospel of Jesus. 2-Somebody as humble and amicable as Eddie Martin shouldnt have to be objected to the mockery and belittlement of their accomplishments. If you have a problem with him or with what he does….why not approach him? Why cowardly hide behind an anonymous piece of filth? 3-What about the attacks on Yolanda Pierce and George Hunsinger? Were they NOT offensive enough? I could go on and into details….but I dont have the time or energy for all of that…..but, if this were the University of Tennessee or Texas Tech, or Whitworth College…..I’d probably have no problems with students publishing a piece of filth like Foreskin; but for God’s sakes, this is a Seminary. A place where 99.9% of us are here to be trained to be ministers of the Gospel of Jesus Christ in one way or the other. There is a complete disconnect between Foreskin and serving Jesus. What’s more troubling is the fact that Justin or Eric (and the many more) could still end up as representatives of God’s kingdom even though they have no problem with mocking and degrading other human beings.

  20. Thank you, Anthony. Very sincerely, I appreciate your answer, I think partially because, when I read the thing, my focus was on the satire of and against the institution. I did not regard the attacks on the individuals named, largely because, as I recall (I read the tract once, and with very little attention), I didn’t read them. When seen through the lens that you clearly brought, your indignation and disgust (and the indignation and disgust of much of the remainder of the community) become much more understandable to me.

    What has bothered me most, both about this particular issue, and what controversy I have heard about Neal’s post above, has been that public discussion has been entirely a matter of condemnation – that any learning or growth or dialogue has been forced under the table. Both Rev. Ammon’s sermon and Dr. Torrance’s e-mail saddened me, because, as someone who was not offended on a casual read-through, I was unable to ask the question that you have so graciously answered, and I felt that a public dialogue about it would be immediately stifled.

    So thank you for having the courage to answer me honestly. I hope that you understand that you have educated me, and how much I am grateful to you for that. I have one last question for you, though. Why do you think that they did it? Or, why do you think that they think that they did it? (The questions, while sounding similar, are importantly different). Obviously, they are theoretically here, as you say, to learn how to be ministers of the Kingdom of God. So why did they think this was okay? Where was the disconnect? How can we, all of us, avoid that trap in future? If, at some point, you’d like to meet and discuss this, I’d very much like to have the conversation in person.

    Neal, I hope you don’t mind our hijacking these comments. I hope when exams are over, you might weigh in on some of the previous ones as well. But, y’know, it’s your blog, so whatever.

  21. @Gospel, Anthony, and John (Hardie):

    First of all, thank you for joining the conversation, and for not hiding behind the cloak of anonymity. You have all made excellent points, which have been swirling in my mind for the past few days, along with all the other voices that have been raised since I wrote this post last week. I plan to write another post today that will hopefully add some depth and perspective to the issue at hand. And to Gospel and Anthony, no, I don’t mind your hijacking the comments — obviously, dialogue needs to happen around the Foreskin episode as well, and if my blog can contribute in some way to that, then I’m pleased.

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  23. I’m a 26-year-old PhD student and I firmly believe master’s students and undergrad students have as much to teach me as I do them. Since when does one need to be on their way to a PhD or have earned one already to qualify as a scholar or as finished with learning?!

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